I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". net (24. CD: SACD’s high resolution and dynamic range typically exceed those of standard CDs, resulting in a potentially more detailed and accurate listening experience. November 4th for CBAT. Way. Boy, what a difference. When it comes to the debate of cardioid vs super cardioid for live. The vinyl appears to be analogue mastered so if you value an all-analogue chain that would be an advantage. But they always compares SACD vs CD on the same player. Please login or register an accountlogin or register an accountSACD vs CD-do you listen and compare SACD/CD layers on your discs? Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BSC, Apr 13, 2015. Hendersonville, Tennessee Home of Cash & Orbison. . I've heard many great sounding redbook cd's and I've heard some horrible vinyl. in May of 1967, one week before Sgt. I did the comparison via my Stax Lambda Pro headphone system (which can be quite revealing). although DVD-Audio does sound great too. The other thing to keep in mind is that SACD is a format in its infancy. Still waiting form "Brothers in Arms" on SACD I have also ordered the MoFi vinyl releases of: "Love Over Gold", "Dire Straits" and "Brothers in Arms" I look forward to comparing SACD vs Vinyl *reelspin* My thought process is I should buy them while they are relatively new and prices have not reached $200+ each yet. The SACD features the 2018 remix of the iconic 1977 Pink Floyd album for the first time, by long-time producer/engineer James Guthrie. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Boy, what a difference. Not making "excuses" for SACD, just making a point. SACD sounds damn nice, there are LOTS of them available and new SACD's of material that interests me continue to be released. New items New comments Author list Series Latest content Latest updates Latest reviews. Szeppelin75, Nov 7, 2016. New media New comments Browse Albums Search media. Overall, Aja represents a high-water mark in Steely Dan's career, showcasing the band's unique blend of. Vinyl vs SACD. SACD sure isn't growing but Analogue Productions, MFSL, Refefence Recordings and Universal/Sony out of Japan/HK continue to release new albums on SACD. It was released on two formats: On vinyl record, as an Ultradisc ‘One-Step’ Limited Edition 33⅓ rpm LP, pressed on Neotech’s Super Vinyl™ contained in a commemorative slip box, (and), on CD, as a single Ultradisc 'UHR' Super Audio Compact Disc (SACD) contained in a gatefold card sleeve. Mastered: Doug Sax, James Guthrie, Joel Plante. View entire discussion. You can remain judicious in selecting your choices. However, I have tested the EQ of my cartridge and phono stage and in all the following examples, that EQ has been reversed out of the vinyl samples so that what we're comparing is the true EQ of what's in the LP groove. But CDs are fine. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. • UHQR Vinyl Record. Although this recording was digital, the Parsons 2017 remaster actually sounds more analogue than the original cd. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. 1% $750-$1,000 15 vote(s) 8. The one thing about the AP SACDs is one really has to jack up the volume. In my experience, 96/24 is only slightly better than 44/16. The OP asked specifically if an SHM-Platinum CD sounds better than the redbook layer of a Hybrid-SACD. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. 49. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. View entire discussion. . Luke theorizes that the 2003 SACD and the MFSL were sourced from an LP cutting master and that the original master mixes were used on the Biograph and GHII remasters. It’s appalling the crap they’re releasing to kids these days… Cheap recycled vinyl, pushing the acetate to the limit or until it’ ground in some spots. Steely Dan-Cant Buy A Thrill-Hybrid Stereo SACD|Acoustic Sounds. Also, instead of a 16-bit depth, it uses a 1-bit depth. SACD debate, there is no definitive answer to which format offers the ultimate listening experience. On the other hand, Vinyl records have a larger dynamic range than SACDs, which means that they can accurately reproduce louder and softer sounds. Location: Finland. DVD-Audio vs Vinyl vs. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. In-Stock Music Orders Over $99 SHIP FREE Within The Continental U. And I'm not all that hot on CDs. It's ok if you like 'that' sound. The vinyl appears to be analogue mastered so if you value an all-analogue chain that would be an advantage. I may have to compare the SHM-SACD or other CD versions to this SACD to see if it improves at all on those. Thread Tools. Record labels. Moody Blues "Question of bal. Vinyl. Following a change in how Billboard counts sales in 2009, it re-entered the chart and has since appeared for over 900 weeks. garfish. cporcp, Jun 28, 2021 #7. Same thing goes for SACD. My reluctance in getting a transport has many reasons, the main being my investment in vinyl, but I did need to find a link to my CDs. Tony van Veen is the CEO of DIY Media Group, the parent company of Disc Makers and BookBaby. DVD-Audio vs Vinyl vs. Since this mess I want to compare more where I have overlap. I have to say that 3 songs into the SACD I shut it off and went back to the vinyl. A vinyl record that is even slightly warped, or has a hole that is not perfectly centered, will have “wow”—slow variations in pitch. They are very. 10/disc royalty for CDs. You're comparing a fully mature fomat (vinyl) with what, 80 years of development behind it, to one with 4 years or so. meatballz. . Mirror Image, Sep 16, 2022. vinyl. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. Boy, what a difference. It plays PCM and may not do high res. #4. But most of us here are comfortable and familiar with it. e. Often times, the differences can seem quite small upon initial comparison, for example, the Beatles remasters in 24 bit vs. Truth is, there aren't really any bad sounding versions of this moody gem since the first pressing back in spring 1971. These have to be the quietest set of CDs to be mastered in the “modern era”. SACD obviously has an advantage on portability and probably overall SQ - but that's still subjective as I might enjoy the "colorization" of vinyl more. Claus , Feb 11, 2015 So, my completely subjective vote will go for DVD-A (or SACD). During that time, my analog front end has improved and the above-mentioned digital front end has remained the same. Like Dark Side, this is a defining record not only for the artist but for a genre of music. One is the MFSL version which I loved. All titles are mastered from the original analog tapes by Bernie. Edit; I forgot I have one. I would rank each. Elton John Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (D1) (2004 Rocket SACD HR B0001570-36-1) Elton John Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (D2) (2004 Rocket SACD HR B0001570-36-2) Elton John Honky Château (2004 Rocket SACD HR B0003609-36) CD, SACD vs LP, Vinyl, Album#CD #vinyl #hifiFor those of you who have not seen my complete music room and system tour and LP, CD SACD tour please click on th. Then I bought the new SACD version. I find that SACD offers more detail and a deeper, wider soundstage and better instrument timbre over CD. The album features classics such as "Spanish Castle Magic," "Little Wing," "Castles Made Of Sand,". " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. On the other hand, vinyl’s sound stage remains unbeaten, as the ClearAudio parallel arm. The latest in this long history is a double-blind test that, the authors conclude, demonstrates that 44. . Get either the target Morrison Hotel CD or the Audio Fidelity. e. SACD- smooth, mellow sound. I sampled a bunch of SACDs and kept finding differences that were attributable to different mastering and. The newest stuff I have is Pixies, and that's late '80s to early '90s. I grew up in the analogue days (vinyl and tape) so tape hiss is to be expected on recordings. Vinyl. I did a similar shoot out to yours above with the sax and vocal section at the end of Avalon with the SACD and UK first press vinyl. KevinP, May 21, 2009 #52. " For classical I prefer SACD due to the format's running time though. I collect and have sizable collection of vinyl from 23 years of solid collecting. The SHM CD would have an edge over standard CD but would not surpass Vinyl and SACD, DVD-A if the pressing is mastered properly. Steely Dan's gold-selling fifth studio album The Royal Scam, was produced by Gary Katz and was originally released by ABC Records in 1976. I've noticed a surfeit in the cost and availability of SACD's - prices are really cheap for some top notch music, often recorded in Europe with the cost for many disks below $12- with shipping no less! I'm in the process of digitizing my vinyl along with ripping hundreds of CD's to my Mac, but I also like playing a. Then I bought the new SACD version. 7 gigabytes per disk (as much as a DVD), SACD can accommodate separate stereo and six-channel mixes of 100 minutes each. Boy, what a difference. Kevin Gray's work is superior, no matter the format. Headquartered in Salina, Kansas, Acoustic Sounds, Inc. Super Audio CD (SACD) is an optical disc format for audio storage introduced in 1999. The vinyl has a noise rise and a peak around 30 kHz. It is overbright on SACD. I've noticed a surfeit in the cost and availability of SACD's - prices are really cheap for some top notch music, often recorded in Europe with the cost for many disks below $12- with shipping no less! I'm in the process of digitizing my vinyl along with ripping hundreds of CD's to my Mac, but I also like playing. The discs are digitally identical and will sound exactly the same no matter what some snake oil lovers will tell you. BD Pure Audio is basically the same as DVD-A except it's encoded to 96/24. $12. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. For many multi-channel enthusiasts the answer is yes, because that is what they care about most. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Visit Homepage . I have the five Steve Wilson blu-ray audio 5. Have GFTO on SACD and the Yes 1968 - 1987 Studio Boxset on CD. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. I just listened closely to the MFSL SACD, the noises are audible at the end of every track. Tony Plachy, Jan 7, 2015. The wait is over for the Analogue Productions SACD. Sex Lies And Master Tapes, Sep 16, 2022. I've got a pretty good setup for vinyl and digital audio files, but I have an opportunity to get a "minty" 10-yr old audiophile-grade CD/SACD player for $350. Well I have the MFSL vinyl of Desire, and reckon it's pretty darn good. . Under perfect circumstances, SACD provides an incremental improvement over CD. Sounded most balanced, less bright, more "analog". The difference between 24/192 and DSD is that the DSD sounds more analog like, but this is not a huge difference in overall sound quality. 1kHz/16-bit digital audio is indistinguishable from high-resolution digital. Let those on the discussion who know Sonos explain what Sonos can do and play better. SACD vs. 8224. The vinyl reissues of this title (box set and standalone) are revelatory. 112 posts total. Add to Cart. 5 copies of steve davis' "quality of silence" hybrid sacd from her and she sent along a cd-r of her whole published vinyl theories. If the system is highly resolving there is a considerable and sometimes overwhelming difference. Every time. 45 RPM 200 Gram Clarity Vinyl. Quote: Originally Posted by memepool Isn't it odd then that their full sized machines like the Sony BDP-S1 support a Matsu****a format like DVD but won't play legacy Sony format's like SACD or even redbook. Even better than the regular SACD with even clearer presentation. The vinyl is top notch too. Yes. Virtual. Myke, Dec 4, 2013. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. The SHM-SACD is still a good option because it doesn't have CSG processing. Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. They are not cheap but not the most expensive of the DCC discs. I'm getting older so no longer hear above 16kHz, so that means 320 kbps mp3 is pretty much transparent to me, as well as v0 vbr mp3. On the vinyl, the violin and the acoustic rhythm guitar lay back a bit, and there's a slightly rounded-off, woody tone to the drumming and the bass, and a very, very subtle tunneled, recessed quality to the vocals. SACD vs. Pacific 2 SE -> Ayon Crossfire III or Circle Labs A100 -> Avantgarde Acoustic Trio LE 26 with 4x REL Carbon Special ,SACD Player: Audio Aero La Fontaine Analog : Transrotor Fat Bob S. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. This is why CDs sample sound at 44. Often times, the. Smoother, more open, and slightly fuller than redbook, without the added distortion of vinyl or the oddness in the upper registers heard on SACD. Tony Plachy, Jan 7, 2015. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". culabula, May 3, 2020 #11. Description. If it's a choice between vinyl and SACD in headphones, then most people with any sort of budget will almost certainly pick SACD. I like SACD as a format, but it's kind of pointless for me when nothing I listen to is on it, and the few things that may peak my interest (i. SACD vs. This one is the best sounding by far. Details;The 777ES’s performance improved gradually during a burn-in period of three weeks. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. Vinyl has more. The choice between the two depends on personal preferences and the desired sonic attributes. "No matter how high a sampling rate is," Wired's. True. Today I compared it with the 2003 SACD. The authors aren’t saying that high-res digital might sound a little different from Red Book CD but is no better. Team Value-Fi. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. #2. DSD vs SACD vs Vinyl Whenever I look for an older album or artist, seemingly WITHOUT FAIL they are not available as a DSD download. Sonos does not likely play DSD. 112 posts total. Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. Bluebook The right price. First, All music is on Vinyl. some of the older quadrophonic recordings now being reissued), or are pieces which were designed for surround sound (e. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. Every time. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". While the standard CD format is tied to a 44. I can go on, but you get the point. Denon - DCD-A110 SACD/CD Player. I own the SHM-CDs of all the early Steely Dan albums ( Can't Buy A Trill through Gaucho) and I'm more than pleased with the fidelity of these issues. jupiterboy likes this. sacd superior to rbcd Login / RegisterAllowing for the quality of the youtube audio , that is pretty much what you would expect to hear from those 3 different masters and Its not really fair to say its a CD vs SACD vs Vinyl thing. (Not Eligible for Additional Discount) $35. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. I am a big vinyl fan, but have a small library of SACD's. Of the core six Doors records, I only have original-ish pressings of the middle three ( Waiting For The Sun, The Soft Parade, Morrison Hotel ). For vinyl releases, I have this pressing, a MFSL pressing and a late 70's/early 80's US pressing (which is now pretty worn) and I prefer the MFSL version. Slight increase in frequency range and they also have a lot more features on the Blu-ray disc that are fun to play with. swanlee, Dec 8, 2012. Virtual Systems Let the world see what you've built. Quote: Originally Posted by FenderP To me, it's not about formats. #6. I voted 'Who Cares. Fred Dender and Grampire like this. One is the MFSL version which I loved. The SACD I found is always better, that’s if you have the right SACD player like the DMP. Owned by CEO Chad Kassem, who founded the company in 1986, Acoustic Sounds is a global retailer of the largest selection of highest-quality music in a variety of formats. If the SACD editions of The Police's albums were mastered from the original first-generation master tapes then they might sound better than the vinyl editions, as the original LPs were more than likely mastered from LP master tapes. DVD-Audio/SACD vs Vinyl sound quality? Discussion in ' Music Corner ' started by Vinophile, May 22, 2006 . Id agree with the guy about the old cd and sacd not being *that* much different other than a bit more resolution. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. Then I bought the new SACD version. Posted August 3, 2011. 45 RPM 200 Gram Clarity Vinyl. Yes, but SACD's extend far above redbook. Now, don't shoot me, but, I think my CCR SACD's are some of the worst sounding SACD's I have heard. Quick links. This is the reason why Pink Floyd did NOT consider Alan Parsons. Given the same mastering, vinyl is still better than redbook. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. That old mix was reissued on SACD by Audio Fidelity in 2015, and then it was issued again on Blu-Ray by Rhino in 2017. Hard to say which sounds better, but they both sound very hard to top. I prefer the SACD. Quote: Originally posted by kelly jopi The largest problem I have with these subjective opinions is that rarely are both the SACD player and the turntable system of equal quality. 1 2 Page 2 of 2 Parrot Heritage Members 6. The category "Outstanding" doesn't mean audiophile sound, but outstanding quality compared to original pressings. SACD Players SACD stands for Super Audio CD. Gallery. It is a high-resolution digital. Forums. Acoustic Sounds Audiophile Vinyl Records. In my opinion Vinyl, SACD and DVD-A are all of sufficiently high resolution that, assuming comparitive quality playback and media, the recording and transfer / mastering is going to be making the differences between which will deliver superior sound quality. There were two Marantz SACD players I was keeping my eye on: the 30n ($2999) and the SA-KI Ruby Signature player with DAC ($3999). 8224 MHz. Video and Audio Formats on Plastic – Part 3 is an introduction to audio formats on CD, SACD, DVD, DVDA and Blu-Ray. 4) Making Movies - muted, no drum slam, muted highs. ssmith3046, Nov 28, 2012 #4. KevinP Forum introvert. DANKOSKY: We'll be talking a bit about some of these new, modern ways of compressing music. However, I have tested the EQ of my cartridge and phono stage and in all the following examples, that EQ has been reversed out of the vinyl samples so that what we're comparing is the true EQ of what's in the LP groove. CD vs. Midrange is sweet. Vinyl. ? How Much Do We Need To Spend To Hear High Quality CD/SACD or Vinyl Reproduction. It came as a total shock to me, since I heard so many people claim that SACD is mostly an overkill for the human ear. 1 kHz sampling rate, SACD samples at 2. But don't have YesSongs on disc (have it on original vinyl only). That leaves Soft Parade which also was released by Audio Fidelity. Whether you are just getting started building a classical music collection, or a seasoned collector, there are many ways in which to enjoy the music. The SACD is definitely much more forward and vivid across the board, with ringing steel strings and a real bite to the violin. Analog sources- CD vs. DJM first pressing vinyl from the UK best of all media. Both sound great but I only want to keep one. Plays in all CD and SACD players. SACD disc and the DSD encoding (on a SACD) are a "frozen in time" tech circa 2005. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Quote: Originally Posted by daltonlanny CD's actually have a better signal to noise ratio in the top octave, and better dynamic range in the upper octave than SACD's do. The Analogue Productions SACD of Pink Floyd ‘s The Dark Side of the Moon is finally shipping after a long wait. The SACD vs. The best of both worlds is vinyl ripped on a very high end rig in High res and then converted to DSD. #4. I decided to include CD quality as well – and a couple other comparisons thrown in for good measure. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. See moreSACD obviously has an advantage on portability and probably overall SQ - but that's still subjective as I might enjoy the "colorization" of vinyl more. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Also, I believe Testikoff mentioned that the Shm transfer came from a master tape made for vinyl, which is not a good thing IMO. Re: Super audio cd vs dvd audio. Quick links. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. SACD vs. The difference between DSD and the source vinyl was very, very slight and I am not sure I could tell the difference on any given day. . I live near a JVC distributor and have access to many of the titles. The overall mastering job is superior on the Abkco releases and the detail is greater on both the SACD and vinyl reissuses. . The versions are dynamic with a DR12 and from master in DSD except for the vinyl which is pure analog. Vinyl. Third - Single side Japanese SACD . 4. As noted in my previous post [link], the Forum didn’t want to pay the $. They all sound good but the SACD is sublime. I only have a single SHM-SACD - it’s superior compared to every format I’ve heard the title on, including the MoFI SACD. It is a high-resolution digital. The vinyl was much better. However, I think it's still too early to answer this question even with identically mastered sources recorded and played back on state-of-the-art equipment optimized for. SACD vs. It's about the music you like. SACD Specifications. A Secret Lab. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. 1:17 - Stereo CD Layer4. My favourite Mix of Dark Side of the Moon is a Bootleg believe it or not , The Alan Parsons Original Quadrophonic Mix. So I did. SACD is a very nice addition if you maintain a decent stationary rig anyway. There's no real difference between the sound characteristics of vinyl, SACD or CD. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". Vinyl. " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. I don't know which is more truthful. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. I, obviously, played the vinyl on my Clearaudio Concept TT. SACD. " Arrival Date To Be Announced " for the others. $750. Sent from my LG-H820. Both vinyl records and Super Audio CDs have. The recording/tracking ability of vinyl is easily at least 50 kHz and perhaps as high as 100 kHz. Apr 23, 2008. By meatballz August 2, 2011 in General Hi-Fi Discussion. Location: West Hollywood, CA and Inverness, IL. From the sound’s point of view, there is always a difference between SACD and the regular cd, but that left apart, usually XRCDs are sounding much better than. MikeT, Nov 3, 2019. 10/disc royalty for CDs. I have a feeling the vinyl will sound better. SACD VS Vinyl for Jazz and Classical Well, I've been thinking of getting into vinyl for a while now but still haven't done it. I agree with you about surface noise. Nantes, France. It may still engage me more, even if the SQ overall is not as pristine as an SACD. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. tlake6659 said: ↑. While vinyl records, in theory, directly encode a smooth audio wave, CDs sample that audio wave at various points and then collate those samples. DSD uses delta-sigma modulation a form of pulse-density modulation encoding, a technique to represent audio signals in digital format, a sequence of single-bit values at a sampling rate of 2. Data read from an SHM CD is no different to the data red from an ordinary CD. 1 kHz and 16 bits of information per sample. Followers 0SACD, DVD-A, vs CD. . I think my buying strategy just morphed into buying a few LPs which I really want and then stocking up on the less expensive SACDs, particularly if the. 2. Hybrid Stereo SACD. 1 kHz sampling rate, SACD samples at 2. 1k Posted October 24, 2003 The XRCD probably had a goosed up high end and somebody was fooled into preferring it. As a college student, he played in indie bands, created his own LPs, cassettes, and t-shirts, and sold them at shows. of the Dark Side of the Moon, is NOT good sonically. The SACD I found is always better, that’s if you have the right SACD player like the DMP. Bonus enjoyment if you have a 5. Both needed to be set up properly and tracked at their maximum rated vertical tracking force. One is the MFSL version which I loved. Boy, what a difference. Tracks (7) Aja — Steely Dan's landmark sixth studio album reissue. In the vinyl vs. The MoFi also has surface noise,while the Abkco vinyl is near silent. the HDCD, the single-layer SACD, the MFSL SACD and vinyl, the Audio Fidelity vinyl, and the RSD candy-colored 150-numbered-limited pressing. Dec 10, 2005. Even the UBP-X700 (cheaper) does SACD. I’m about to open a subjective can of worms here. I'm a pretty big NIN fan, so price isn't a problem, I'm just wondering if the Vinyl player would be higher quality than the SACD Deluxe Version. With a storage capacity of 4. Even an SACD only disk that’s just a SACD copy of the same CD master is not likely going to deliver a whole lot. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". 0:00 - LP2. . Mirror Image Forum Resident. The album was developed from a collection of unrelated. SACD has a higher bit rate and uses a different encoding method from Vinyl to capture and reproduce more audio information. 1447) Join Date Dec 2011 Location Tynemouth, England Posts 2,457 Mentioned 43 Post(s)SACD vs. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. 1 setup. All great stuff and this combined with the revitalized vinyl market bodes well for my enjoyment of music at home and is a much brighter picture than I saw when the future of audio seemed only CD and compressed. Acoustic Sounds Audiophile Vinyl Records. Tim. This setup would be more flexible and cheaper overall. SACD sure isn't growing but Analogue Productions, MFSL, Refefence Recordings and Universal/Sony out of Japan/HK continue to release new albums on SACD.